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Postby ScottG » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:24 pm

Can someone convince me why Hey Jude, Yesterday, and Let It Be are judged to be better songs than You Won't See Me, I'm Looking Through You, The Night Before, Another Girl, Good Day Sunshine... the list goes on and on.
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Postby ScottG » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:39 pm

Scott's \Top 5 Beatles Albums.

1. Revolver
2. Rubber Soul
3.Help!
4.Abbey Road
5. Hard Days Night
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Postby Our Kid » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:55 pm

Yep, Michael Phelps...

Another useless, undisciplined, unmotivated, undriven pot smoker. I hope they take away all his medals, strip him of his endorsements and RUIN HIS LIFE.

Gotta go. I'm training for the next Olympics.
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Postby outta » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:18 am

Sounds like you need to smoke a little more. I hear it's an excellent mood stabilizer. :P
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Postby Turk » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:50 am

Bill Maher made a great point. He said something like the people who are condemning Phelps for putting weed into HIS body should consider what they're putting THEIR bodies by eating any products by Kellogg's. I wish that Phelps had refrained from apologizing so quickly. He should've said instead that he's a grown man who makes his own choices. Fuck the Kellogg company, fuck the Olympic committee, fuck the people who are calling for his head and fuck the asshole who exposed that photo to the world. Phelps is still a champion whether he smokes pot or not.
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Postby outta » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:56 am

I second that, Turk!
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Postby keith from ny » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:09 pm

ScottG wrote:Can someone convince me why Hey Jude, Yesterday, and Let It Be are judged to be better songs than You Won't See Me, I'm Looking Through You, The Night Before, Another Girl, Good Day Sunshine... the list goes on and on.

Cuz the Beatles and their management decided to release them as singles and they sold a bazillion copies each.
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Postby keith from ny » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:17 pm

Turk wrote:Bill Maher made a great point. He said something like the people who are condemning Phelps for putting weed into HIS body should consider what they're putting THEIR bodies by eating any products by Kellogg's. I wish that Phelps had refrained from apologizing so quickly. He should've said instead that he's a grown man who makes his own choices. Fuck the Kellogg company, fuck the Olympic committee, fuck the people who are calling for his head and fuck the asshole who exposed that photo to the world. Phelps is still a champion whether he smokes pot or not.

True enough, but the reality is that if you want these lucrative endorsements (which are all about corporate image) then you have to be squeaky clean from a PR standpoint. And unlike us enlightened folk here on PattyNet, most cereal-buying consumers consider marijuana a dangerous drug, and smoking it is of course illegal however stupid the laws may be.

Chances are that saying fuck the Kellogg company and the Olympic committee would have been seriously detrimental to his future income.
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Postby Turk » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:32 pm

keith from ny wrote:True enough, but the reality is that if you want these lucrative endorsements (which are all about corporate image) then you have to be squeaky clean from a PR standpoint. And unlike us enlightened folk here on PattyNet, most cereal-buying consumers consider marijuana a dangerous drug, and smoking it is of course illegal however stupid the laws may be.

Chances are that saying fuck the Kellogg company and the Olympic committee would have been seriously detrimental to his future income.

I understand your point, Kleetus. And I wouldn't expect Phelps to actually say 'fuck you' to Kellogg's or the Olympic committee. That was me saying that. And you are correct; pot is illegal. I think THAT'S where my problem with it all begins.
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Postby keith from ny » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:53 pm

Turk wrote:I understand your point, Kleetus. And I wouldn't expect Phelps to actually say 'fuck you' to Kellogg's or the Olympic committee. That was me saying that. .

Sorry, I misread your post. Well good for you, Turk! And I sincerely hope your declaration doesn't interfere with any potential endorsements.
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Postby outta » Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:28 pm

This story has been huge in my state since it's the state where the alleged photo was taken.

My opionion is the sheriff is a ego-inflated asshole who only wants to make national news and throw himself into the spotlight. The smartest thing I've ever heard our govenor (Mark Sanford) say is basically: what good would come from charing him now?

And seriously, what good would come from it?

Most of the people that I know in law enforcement think this is absolute nonesense -- including those who are more conservative.

Phelps is being used as a tool to for the personal gain of others. The authorities have already arrested/charged eight (I think) people in connection with this pot smoking fiasco. That's great. KUDO's to the law enforcement in that county for making the streets so much more SAFE. Why don't they go help the HOMELESS AND HUNGRY and the crack ADDICTED people down the street ... m'fkers. Oh wait ... that wouldn't make headlines.

If someone wanted to go after Phelps and bring forth the proper charges ... fine. It's the grandiose manner in which they've brought it to the media that really infuriates me. Phelps said it was a stupid mistake .. and it was ... you can't trust people after you've gained his kind of status ... there are people who are out to benefit from his stupid acts .. because they're MORE STUPID than Phelps.

How many "stupids" did I get in there? Its become a fashionable word in my vocabulary. :roll:
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Postby Gretzky » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:09 pm

seriously! all this drama over a tobacco pipe. i can't!
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Postby Our Kid » Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:42 pm

Thoughts on the following article, anyone?




Jail Sentences for Cops Who Planted Pot on 92-Year Old They Killed in Botched Drug Raid
By Christopher Moraff, AlterNet
Posted on February 26, 2009, Printed on March 4, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/128917/

Three former Atlanta police officers were sentenced to prison time this week for the shooting death of a 92 year-old grandmother after breaking down her door during a botched drug raid.

Jason Smith, Gregg Junnier and Arthur Tesler received sentences ranging from five to 10 years on charges of conspiracy to violate civil rights resulting in death.

In November 2006, the officers -- all members of Atlanta's narcotics squad -- gunned down Kathryn Johnston inside her home. The police claimed to be acting on information they received from a confidential informant that drugs were being sold from the house. That allegation turned out to be false.

From the beginning evidence showed the officers manipulated a highly suspect system to justify an assault on Johnston's home.

As AlterNet first reported in April 2007, the cops began by planting evidence on a known drug dealer to solicit information about narcotics being sold out of Johnston's home; they then used fabricated testimony from a separate confidential informant to obtain a search warrant.

A terrified Johnston fired a single shot from a gun she kept when the police entered her home on a "no-knock" warrant; she hit no one. The cops responded with nearly 40 shots, killing her instantly.

The Johnston tragedy shined a spotlight on the cavalier use of informant information to obtain arrest and search warrants. The Justice Department launched a federal probe and, nine months after the shooting the House Committee on the Judiciary held a hearing on law enforcement's use of confidential informants.

"We've got a serious problem here that goes beyond coughing up cases where snitches were helpful," said committee chair Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) at the hearing. "The whole criminal justice system is being intimidated by the way this thing is being run, and, in many cases, especially at the local level, mishandled. A lot of people have died because of misinformation."

Back in July 2008, I reported for In These Times on a epidemic of innocent people being sent to death row based on the information of paid or otherwise compensated snitches.

What I discovered is a disturbing trend in which police are increasingly abandoning traditional investigative work in favor of insider cooperation -- what experts call a "dumbing down" of police work.

"The drug war has eroded law enforcement practices," said investigative reporter Ethan Brown, whose book, Snitch: Informants, Cooperators and the Corruption of Justice, traces the genesis of the informant culture and its effect on communities.

Today, falsified informant testimony accounts for nearly half of all wrongful convictions in capital cases nationwide, according to data from Northwestern University Law School's Center on Wrongful Convictions. Since 1973, 129 innocent people were released from death row -- more than 50 of whom were sentenced to death based partly or wholly on false informant testimony.

"The government's use of criminal informants is largely secretive, unregulated and unaccountable," explained Alexandra Natapoff, an associate professor of law at Loyola University and one of the country's foremost authorities on the problems with confidential informants. "This lack of oversight and quality control leads to wrongful convictions, more crime, disrespect for the law and sometimes even official corruption."

Since the 2007 House Judiciary Committee hearing, little headway has been made in reforming the practice of using incentivized informants to send people to jail -- and, worse, execution.

According to the American Bar Association (ABA), 18 states now require corroboration of an accomplice's statements. Those that require corroboration for other forms of incentivized witnesses, however, are few and far between.

According to a statement from the U.S. Attorney's office, in addition to the federal civil rights conspiracy charge in the Johnston case, in 2007 officers Junnier and Smith pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter and related state charges in Fulton County (Georgia) Superior Court. Pursuant to their plea agreements, they are scheduled to be sentenced in state court on March 5 to the same sentence imposed in federal court, with the sentences to be served concurrently.

Tesler initially declined to plead guilty and was indicted in state court on charges of violation of oath of office by a public officer, false imprisonment and false statements. He pleaded guilty to the federal charge on October 30, 2008. Each defendant was also sentenced to serve 3 years on supervised release following his prison term, and collectively to pay $8,180 in restitution for the costs of Ms. Johnston's funeral and burial.
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Postby Turk » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:16 pm

This has been daily news here since it happened about 2 years ago, Tim. There is so much wrong in so many areas. I'll have comments on this later.
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Postby ScottG » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:09 pm

Quick guys!... What's your favorite George "Beatles" song?
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