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Postby Rob » Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:18 pm

marybeth wrote:ah hem! Germany!

I rather like the German chant of "three World Cups" and the British retort of "two World Wars." Does that stuff ever get old?

Even in red, tough day for England. Can't pretend that non-goal goal would have definitely made a difference, but if it's 2-2, it certainly affects momentum and strategery. I think for 2014, the Brits should offer citizenship to Archimedes. Germany looked great, though. Best of luck to them.

As for the US of A.... they deserved to lose.

And poor Mexico, so close to goals in those opening minutes, then they get on the wrong side of a call plus that huge mistake, and they're done. North America is officially kaput.

But Ghana's Black Stars play on. :D

This is great fun. They need to hold the World Cup in the park near me where the guys are out playing every weekend barring blizzards. The fields are a bit beat up, but the enthusiasm is over the top. And no vuvuzelas.
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Postby marybeth » Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:07 pm

Guess everyone lost interest! But Germany played an awesome game against Argentina tonight! I think they could go to the very top!
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Postby Ian » Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:08 pm

marybeth wrote:Guess everyone lost interest! But Germany played an awesome game against Argentina tonight! I think they could go to the very top!


I didn't lose interest MB, well not altogether :)

I thought Germany played a great game, hitting fast on the counter whenever they could.
I'm very pleased that the fat little cheat and his team got burned today, I'll never forgive him for that 'hand of god' incident.

It's going to be interesting now. Maybe you could update us on Psychic Paul's predictions for the final run in
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Postby marybeth » Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:22 am

Yes, strangely the BBC has run no more predictions from Paul....I guess they only cared when it had to do with England!

What was the hand of God incident Ian? The Argentinians take it all soooo seriously in any case. Poor things. I don't pretend to know anything about soccer aka football. But the Germans worked together far better as a unit than their opponents IMO.
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Postby Ian » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:56 am

Hand of God?... hmmm do you really want to know?

Back in 1966, when I was a boy, England had a famous world cup victory over West Germany to win the trophy and one of Englands goals that day was one of those 'did it or didn't it cross the line' decisions. The ball had cannoned down from crossbar to goalline at such a pace that nobody could really be sure if it had crossed the line. Anyway, the goal was given by a Russian linesman and Geoff Hurst went on to increase the lead to 4-2 with seconds of the game left.
Arguments have raged on for decades about the incident and I think we have been cursed with bad karma as a result. It's probably jingoistic paranoia but we all feel that since that time, every major tournament we take part in seems to bring it's own crucial refereeing clanger to dump us out on our arses.
This year, it was the goal not given against the German team and whilst we were clearly the inferior team on the day, that goal, had it stood, could have been the catalyst for us to fight on and claim an unlikely result.
Recent competitions have seen us getting key players sent off for offences that would hardly warrant a caution but the incident causing most bitterness for England fans was when Maradonna clearly handled the ball into the net in the 1986 WC quarter finals which put England out. OK, sometimes it's an instinctive reaction to handle the ball but this was a time when nerves were still raw over the Falkland Islands confrontation with the armed forces of Argentina and the flames didn't really need fanning.
Maradonna was asked by the press if he had scored a legitimate goal and his reply was that it must have been 'the hand of god' that had scored.

Diego Maradonna may well have had a rightful claim to being the greatest player on the planet at that time but any respect I had for him disappeared with those ill chosen words.

Anyway... sorry but you did ask didn't you? :lol:

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Postby marybeth » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:13 am

thanks that was interesting!
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Postby Rob » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:39 am

I was away for the weekend without the internets. So I've been unable to chime in on this subject. So...

... not for nothing, but I think these soccer people have to change some of their rules. Putting aside instant replay, when Luis Suarez illegally blocked that goal, I thought it should count anyway.

In baseball, if a ball is going over the wall and an outfielder throws their glove at it to prevent it from doing so, it's ruled a home run. If a fielder throw it at any batted ball on the field of play, the batter is awarded a triple.

In basketball, if the ball is clearly going in the hoop and an opposing player knocks it out, the basket is awarded.

In American football, it's a bit more complicated. But if someone deliberately interferes with an offensive player in the endzone, the offense gets a first down at the 1-yard line (they can't award a touchdown because there's no way to know if the receiver would actually have caught the ball). Also, if the quarterback commits intentional grounding from his own endzone, it's a safety and two points for the other team. Plus that team gets the ball.

I don't know the rules for hockey that well, but I assume that anything short of using nuclear weapons to prevent a goal is acceptable. Maybe Tim could enlighten us.

So clearly, I am VERY soured on the rules of international football. There was nothing unintentional about what Suarez did. He used his hands to prevent Uruguay from losing. And all he got was a red card. The referee should absolutely have the ability to award that goal. Barring changes in the laws of physics, that ball was going in and it's 99.9999% certain that Ghana wins.

I am now extremely disillusioned with the whole World Cup. As long as Uruguay is utterly humiliated, and Luis Suarez is emotionally devastated, I could care less who wins.

That's just some messed up sh*t. And it needs to be changed.

As for Maradona, I always thought this piece by Gary Lineker was great, but there must be more of it. And why it's in bits... I don't know. At about eight minutes of video, it's not like it's an epic.

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Some more I found...

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Postby Ian » Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:47 pm

Sinner or sinned against?

Wayne Rooney gets sent off as England crash out of the Euro Championships 2008

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Postby Ian » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:34 pm

It's that bloody Octopus again :o

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/10521867.stm

And in case BBC content isn't available over there?

A "psychic" octopus in Germany, which appears to have correctly predicted every World Cup game involving the national team so far, has picked Spain over Germany in the semi-final.

Paul, from the Sea Life Aquarium in the western city of Oberhausen, chose a mussel from a jar with the Spanish flag instead of one with a German flag.

The two-year-old cephalopod has become a national celebrity.

According to his owners, he has a record of predicting German results.

They say Paul chose the winner in nearly 70% of Germany's games during the 2008 European Championship.

He correctly predicted all five of the team's previous World Cup games - including a shock defeat by Serbia in the group stages.

His prognosis ahead of Wednesday's World Cup semi-final was broadcast live on German TV.

Correspondents says Paul's plumping for Spain has caused alarm in the country, but some analysts point out that his predictive powers are not perfect.

During Euro 2008 he wrongly picked Germany as the victor against Spain.
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Postby Rob » Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:42 pm

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Postby marybeth » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:47 am

No, Paul, say it isn't so!!!!
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Postby Rob » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:43 pm

marybeth wrote:No, Paul, say it isn't so!!!!

Paul, the cephalopod mollusk in the order Octopoda, was right once again. I wonder how he'd do at the track?
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Postby marybeth » Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:43 am

Dang octopus!

The Germans fought hard, but the Spanish were just better!

So, who are you guys routing for to win? I guess I'll go with the Dutch.
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Postby Rob » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:04 am

marybeth wrote:Dang octopus!

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marybeth wrote:I guess I'll go with the Dutch.

I think I'll be pulling for them too. Just don't tell my friend from Spain.
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Postby Ian » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:17 am

Well!!

Psychic Paul has apparently tipped Germany to take the spoils in the third place play off game against Uraguay and has chosen SPAIN to take the ultimate prize.

Maybe now is the time to disclose my strong liking for all things Dutch.


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