Reverse "Sophomore Jinx"?

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Reverse "Sophomore Jinx"?

Postby Kris » Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:42 pm

What about artist where their first album is so-so but their sophomore effort is stellar?

For me:

Regina Spektor
Andrew Bird (calling Weather Systems as his first)
Josh Rouse
David Mead (actually it was his 3rd album that was amazing)


I know there are more of these, too...
It's the same old thirst for more
Until they put you in the dirt

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Postby TontoBronto » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:56 am

Joan Osborne--debut CD "Early Recordings" was too rough for release, but her sophomore effort "Relish" (which some actually think is her debut :shock: ) was a near-perfect recording.
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Postby keith from ny » Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:14 am

Most of these artists actually had pretty good debut albums, the follow-ups are just exceptionally strong IMO:

Santana - Abraxas
Carole King - Tapestry
James Taylor - Sweet Baby James
Van Morrison - Moondance
Cowboy Junkies - The Trinity Session
Imogen Heap - Speak For Yourself
The Band - The Band
Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow
Anais Mitchell - Hymns for the Exiled
Julie Miller - Broken Things
Tim Buckley - Hello and Goodbye
KT Tunstall - Eye to the Telescope
Jethro Tull - Stand Up
Rod Stewart - Gasoline Alley
Anne McCue - Roll
Bonnie Raitt - Give It Up
Neko Case - Furnace Room Lullaby

(and I'm cheating a little here cuz we just had this same discussion in the OtR forum!)
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Postby Arlene » Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:32 am

Bruce-
Obviously, the raw, thrilling, gut wrenching blues vocals on Joan Osborne.s first recorded album were beyond you ;)

My favorite example of the reverse sophmore jinx is Emmylou Harris's dreadful Gliding Bird (1969) followed by the classic Pieces of the Sky (1975). Gliding Bird is so bad that Emmylou (1) sued (successfully) to block its rerelease, (2) has refused to allow it to be mentioned in any of her official biographies distributed by her management or record companies, and (3) has been giving interviews for 34 years in which she consistently refers to Pieces of the Sky as her debut album. (It's not even included on the Discography section of her web site.)

Another exampe of the reverse sophomore jinx would be Carole King's mediocre debut, Writer, followed by her masterpiece, Tapestry.
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Postby Arlene » Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:34 am

[sorry for the repeat post]
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Postby Arlene » Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:42 am

[okay, I'll never post using my blackberry again. :oops:
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Postby Arlene » Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:49 am

keith from ny wrote:Most of these artists actually had pretty good debut albums, the follow-ups are just exceptionally strong IMO:

Julie Miller - Broken Thingsq

FYI. Julie Miller released 5 "Christian" albums before releasing Blue Pony and then Broken Things.(Julie's original version of Broken Things was on one of those albums and was rerecorded for the later album at Emmylou's suggestion.)
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Postby keith from ny » Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:08 am

Just a note to say I'm grateful for anyone setting the record straight but totally uninterested in wrangling over whether these are "really" second albums. For example, I'm deliberately ignoring Van Morrison's unauthorized Van Morrison's Greatest Hits release (which included Brown Eyed Girl).
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Postby Arlene » Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:37 am

Hey Keith-
You wouldn't want to deprive me of one of the few pleasures in my life, would you?-- giving TY grief :)
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Postby ScottG » Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:23 pm

IMO, Sheryl Crow's second CD is much better than her first.

Los Lobos' first CD was good, their second, By the Light of the Moon, was great and they continued to get better for a few years... The Neighborhood, Kiko, and Colossal Head.
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Postby Fool On Fire » Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:33 pm

ScottG wrote:IMO, Sheryl Crow's second CD is much better than her first.


Totally agree with this one; despite there being a handful of real gems on Tuesday Night Music Club (run baby run, i shall believe, leaving las vegas), the self-titled is a powerhouse from start to finish.

Others:
* Rilo Kiley's The Execution of All Things blew their debut, Take Offs and Landings, out of the water.
* As amazing and wonderful as Let It Die was, Feist upped the ante with The Reminder.
* Imogen Heap's Speak For Yourself is loads better than I Megaphone.

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Postby MWM » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:02 pm

Fool On Fire wrote:As amazing and wonderful as Let It Die was, Feist upped the ante with The Reminder.


Definitely.

As awesome as Nina Nastasia's Dogs was, she improved so much more with The Blackened Air that it was almost hard to believe it was the same artist.

Similarly, and many Joanna Newsom fans may disagree with me, but the brilliant The Milk-Eyed Mender was completely dwarfed for me by the expansive genius of Ys.

As for debut albums I actually disliked that were improved upon with the sophomore release, I can't really come up with any right now.
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Postby RightOverThisMess » Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:53 am

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Postby disco_fred » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:26 am

Elise and Scott -- I agree that Sheryl Crow's second album is superior to the first, although I do love her first record.

Alanis Morissette's "Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie" and Lisa Loeb's "Firecracker" remain 2 of my all-time favorite CDs -- and, again, though I loved the first, their second efforts are my favorites. I know people disagree :P .

Natalie Merchant -- "Ophelia"
The Cranberries -- "No Need to Argue"
Pink -- "Missundastood"
Kelly Clarkson -- "Breakaway"
Gwen Stefani -- "The Sweet Escape"
Avril Lavigne -- "Under My Skin"
Ashlee Simpson -- "I Am Me"

and, of course, Madonna -- "Like a Virgin" :D .

I maintain that I thoroughly enjoyed and loved all of these artists's first records, but even moreso their follow-ups.
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Postby TontoBronto » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:58 am

disco_fred wrote:Ashlee Simpson -- "I Am Me"


Can I call Ashlee's second appearance on SNL her sophomore effort??
While flipping channels late at night, I've seen the same musical appearance twice on an SNL rerun (without knowing it was Ashlee).
Last night, I stayed awake long enough to learn it was her and was pretty surprised how much I liked it.



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