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Madonna

Postby disco_fred » Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:32 pm

Now, I know that we are on a Patty Griffin board, and Madonna may not be exactly the type of person that you guys jump up and down over --

but I gotta be me. I love her. More than Patty (I'm sorry :oops: ).

I figured this could be a great place for interesting discussion about the undisputed queen of pop music -- innovator, creator, instigator, and, in my opinion, amazingly underrated musician.

This is a woman who has had chart hits and concert tours for three decades now. She has the second most Top 40 hits behind Elvis Presley.

Her image and her persona always seem to overshadow the fact that she is a woman who has succeeded in a male-dominated business. She came to New York with $35 in her pocket and a dream -- and she did it.

She plays the guitar, she writes and produces a majority of her music, she has been a front-runner of many trends in this (and many other) countries.

Her music ranges from the feel-good and fluffy (great to dance to and let yourself go) to the thoughtful, reflective, and introspective. There are so many songs I could recommend.

I am actually hoping some people here who may have a sort of "unimpressed" view of this woman could actually start to see that there may be something of hers that they could enjoy -- if they give it a chance!

I appreciate any and all discussion of a living legend and icon so well-known, whether positive or negative.

When I was growing up, I was mercilessly teased and beaten up regularly in school due to the fact that I wasn't a party kid, I was chubby, and I was not a sportsman or gun-slinger. But at the end of the day, when I felt like I had no one to talk to, I had Madonna and her music. As cheesy as that sounds, she was always someone who showed me not to be afraid to be who you really are and stand up for yourself.

Please give your thoughts :D !!!
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Postby gillian » Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:43 pm

Thanks, Fred, for bringing Madonna to the board. :)

I have a long history with Madonna. I've been a fan since 1st grade... finally saw her live for the first time last summer. She's f*cking amazing!

So, your post inspired a decision in me.. I've figured out which Madonna song is going on my next mix! Woot.
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Postby disco_fred » Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:57 pm

Gillian, thank the Heavens for you :D !!! I knew I could count on you for some Madonna-lovin' :lol: !!!

The first 45 record (yes, actual 45 :shock: ) I ever owned was "Borderline". My Dad (who is the person responsible for my love of music -- all my memories in the house have a soundtrack with them) came home one day with it for me because I would sing it all the time. And ever since then, I was in love. So I have been a huge, die-hard fan from the beginning.

I also saw her live for the first time ever, on July 28th, for the "Re-Invention Tour". It was the best, happiest, greatest night of my life :D !!!

Madonna's list of Top 10 hits are as follows --

(Which ones do you remember, know, love, and/or not-so-love) --

(01) "Borderline"
(02) "Lucky Star"
(03) "Like a Virgin"
(04) "Material Girl"
(05) "Crazy for You"
(06) "Angel"
(07) "Dress You Up"
(08) "Live to Tell"
(09) "Papa Don't Preach"
(10) "True Blue"
(11) "Open Your Heart"
(12) "La Isla Bonita"
(13) "Who's That Girl?"
(14) "Causing a Commotion"
(15) "Like a Prayer"
(16) "Express Yourself"
(17) "Cherish"
(18) "Keep it Together"
(19) "Vogue"
(20) "Hanky Panky"
(21) "Justify My Love"
(22) "Rescue Me"
(23) "This Used to Be My Playground"
(24) "Erotica"
(25) "Deeper and Deeper"
(26) "I'll Remember"
(27) "Secret"
(28) "Take a Bow"
(29) "You'll See"
(30) "Don't Cry for Me, Argentina"
(31) "Frozen"
(32) "Ray of Light"
(33) "Music"
(34) "Don't Tell Me"
(35) "Die Another Day"
"Sometimes I think the world has gone completely mad. And then I think -- ah, who cares? And then I think -- hey, what's for supper?" -- Jack Handey.
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Postby Elizabeth » Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:05 am

I have to admit, I'm a Madonna freak.

Like Gillian, I was a small child when I was first exposed to her.

I am a feminist to the core and Madonna has given many people, especially women, a voice, in a male dominated industry.

In her own words: "I am tough, I'm ambitous, and I know exactly what I want. If that makes me a bitch, okay."

That's what I love about her.

In the Truth Or Dare movie Madonna says something like, she's not concerned with being the best dancer or the best singer, all she really cares about is being provocative. I always admired her so much for saying that and I have aspired to do the same, obviously not on the same large scale as her but none the less I think it is important to stand for something and provoke thought and start a dialogue.

I must say I love Madonna, the person, more than her music. But her music is also great.
My favorite songs are What It Feels Like For A Girl and Human Nature, they both express the way I feel and probably the way many other women feel as well.
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Postby marybeth » Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:20 am

I liked the old Madonna. Her music brings back memories of NYC in the 80's. What an influence she had then on how women dressed and acted. I also thought she was great in Evita. But today between her writing childrens' books and Kabbalah mysticism, she's putting out mediocre stuff.....
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Postby B Minus Time Traveler » Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:40 am

I too, love Madonna. My Immaculate Collection CD is way too old and scratched (I can't listen to "Lucky Star" or "Vogue"). I need to get a new one. It's about 12 years old.
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Postby Turk » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:16 am

Okay, even though DF gives me sheer hell for dissing "The Goddess", I have her first album along with a couple of others.
"Borderline" is one of my favorite songs by her.
"Crazy for You"
"Papa Don't Preach"
"Open Your Heart" is killer
"This Used to be My Playground"
"Frozen" and Ray of Light -- never far away from my player
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Postby disco_fred » Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:10 pm

Yay Madonna fans :D :P :lol: :) !!!

There is always so much discussion about her personal life and "antics" that her music is so often overlooked.

For the fans and non-fans, some of my favorite (and somewhat overlooked) Madonna tunes include --

"The Power of Good-bye"
"Nothing Really Matters"
"Gone"
"Time Stood Still"
"Promise to Try"
"Till Death Do Us Part"
"What It Feels Like for a Girl"
"Mother and Father"
"Bedtime Story"
"Nobody Knows Me"
"Why's It So Hard?"
"Sky Fits Heaven"

Good times :P !!!
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Postby Kid Nashville » Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:31 am

Disco Fred, let's never confuse musical genius...w/ Madge. Madonna had a few artistic peaks. None of them had to do with music. The "Sex" book was good. Her body of soft porn MTV videos was un-equaled. I can't believe she didn't get at least a Golden Globe for her deep throating a coke bottle in "Truth Or Dare". Yeah, she's been around for a long time.... but it has almost zero to do with the impact of her music. She's been dreadful in EVERY movie she's ever made. The only reason her music will be played in decades to come will be to satirize the moment that it represents. And to make fun of those of us that liked it. Masturbatory fantasy queen? No doubt. Musical icon? Totally laughable.
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Postby gillian » Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:29 am

Don't worry, Fred. There's some that don't understand and never will. But, as Madonna fans, we already know that. We've been listening to arguments like KN's for 20 years. :D

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Postby Kid Nashville » Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:26 am

gillian wrote:Don't worry, Fred. There's some that don't understand and never will. But, as Madonna fans, we already know that. We've been listening to arguments like KN's for 20 years. :D

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Hey, hold up GiGi. I didn't say I wasn't a fan. I'm just not ready to lump her in w/ Mozart and Bach, just yet. I've been in love w/ Daphne from Scooby Doo since I was three. No ones going to mistake her for Merryl Streep.
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Postby Turk » Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:03 am

Kid Nashville wrote: I didn't say I wasn't a fan. I'm just not ready to lump her in w/ Mozart and Bach.

Weren't the three of them in the "Sex" book?
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Postby solesearching » Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:40 am

I was a huge fan of Madonna in like kindergarten and first grade. I used to have a bunch of tiered lace skirts that I would wear over spandex leggings and tons of lace headbands that were tied into bows on top, and the lace gloves with the finger tips cut off. I was probably the only gal in my school rockin this look at 5 and 6. My parents never tried to stop me from dressing Madonnaish because they knew it was simply a phase that I would grow out of. By second grade, I was no longer a Madonna clone and stopped listening to her music (I think it was around the time True Blue came out). I really haven't listened to her since, except the rare day when I pop one of my tapes into my old ass stereo. I couldn't even name 5 of her newer songs.
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Postby disco_fred » Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:08 pm

gillian wrote:Don't worry, Fred. There's some that don't understand and never will. But, as Madonna fans, we already know that. We've been listening to arguments like KN's for 20 years. :D

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I can always count on you, Gillian :D .

Well, with Madonna, there's always bound to be some dissension among the ranks :wink: . She's one of those artists who divided people's opinions, and I have heard it all too. Each to their own.

But I definitely consider Madonna to be a musical genius. I think her career and her songs and her albums have been nothing short of brilliant. Nothing she has recorded sounds dated, and even at the time of their release, they were way ahead of their time as far as any pop music release was concerned.

This is a woman who writes and produces a majority of her own material, and has stayed successful in this business because of that. To write her off as being successful solely for her power of reinvention is too narrow-minded for me. Everything she releases is strong and sounds like nothing else on the radio. I definitely have wonderful memories attached to many of her older tracks, but I never feel like they are only representative of the time that they were released.

"Ray of Light", "Music", and "American Life" are fantastic, thoughtful, beautiful, brilliant albums, and show her growth as a singer and overall musician from her earlier work (which I still believe is classic).

Her public persona and her antics (as they were) always seem to overshadow the fact that she is quite talented and has a keen business sense and ear for amazing melodies, harmonies, and grooves. She has stayed current in her career, in a time when many artists do not dare venture away from the popular musical paths, and that's just one of the hundreds of reasons she is still so popular.

I whole-heartedly believe that Madonna isn't just a musical icon, but she is one of the greatest, most prolific, most talented, most underrated, and most important musical icons and living legends we have ever had.

In the liner notes of her CD "Something to Remember", Madonna wrote --

"So much controversy has swirled around my career this past decade that very little attention ever gets paid to my music. The songs are all but forgotten. While I have no regrets regarding the choices I've made artistically, I've learned to appreciate the idea of doing things in a simpler way. So without a lot of fanfare, without any distractions, I present to you this collection of ballads. Some are old, some are new. All of them are from my heart."

Goddess :D !!!
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Postby Turk » Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:24 pm

Kid Nashville wrote:The "Sex" book was good.

Do you have the "Sex" book that Madonna had out?

I've only heard about it.....how the covers are sheet metal with a spiral binding..and the word "Sex" is stencilled or punched out on the front cover.
....how she almost got arrested for posing nude on the side of the road, looking like a hitchhiker with her thumb out.
....how there are several celebrities pictured throughout.
....and how pages 15 through 23 are extremely hot and controversial...and are probably my favorite....er, somebody's favorites.

Yeah, I think I may have heard something about it......
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